i'm thinking jack lew, susan rice, then there's john kerry that are thrown in there or mark warner. the president's tendency is usually to go with the super staffer. >> well, we've seen that, although it's secretary of state he went with awe -- >> and the world may want that. >> the world may want that. kerry gives you a little bit -- but not hillary clinton status but gives you something of a name and he's got the profile overseas. i think he may give the president that. you know, the other part of it though is very interesting. this is an opportunity for the president to do better with the business community. he talked about a secretary of business in a second thererm. he wants to stand there in the next two years and get his arms around robust economic recovery. >> bill clinton, basically, he had this problem and went and grabbed bob. >> there's a couple of guys out there, i think forgetting his last name, who runs honeywell who is on the competitive committee. there are guys out there who could be more natural allies. maybe the ship has sailed on jamie dimon and jpmorgan. >> rel